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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby cekoni » 04 Jul 2013, 05:18

lala630312 wrote: http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/621286

«Раньше к нам любила приезжать Каролина Костнер ... Но в этом году Алексей Николаевич ей отказал. Он не хочет тренировать наших соперников перед Олимпиадой. Считает, что это непорядочно. Не все измеряется деньгами…»
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– Я в принципе решил больше не работать с сильными иностранными фигуристами, – продолжает Профессор, ... Потому что, возвращаясь из наших лагерей, Каролина Костнер все передает своему тренеру. А нам этого не нужно. В прошлом сезоне был и Хавьер Фернандес. И Женя Плющенко совершенно правильно мне заметил:

«Алексей Николаевич, что он здесь делает?».
С маленькими иностранцами я продолжаю работать. ....
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Translate please this part. :plush39: I read on GSA:
-Russian drama -- Carolina has been banned from Mishin's camps for "sharing secrets," and Plushenko has asked Mishin to restrict his students to Russians only

This is completely normal sports policies, as in all other national representations.... ::yaz-yk:

Camp manager Kirsty Kull:
Before, here coming Carolina Kostner... But this year, Alexei refused her. (this is not true - she was there much earlier, 4-5 years before, and not in Pinzolo - than in Germany camp). He does not want to train russians rivals ahead of the Olympics. Believes that it is dishonorable. Not everything is measured by money...
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Alexei Mishin:
- No, I refused Costner for another reason. Basically, I have decided to no longer work with strong foreign skaters. Because, back from our camps, Carolina Kostner all passes to her coach. And we do not need that.
Last season was and Javier Fernandez. (in Spain camp) And Zhenya Plushenko rightly remarked to me: "Alexei Nikolaevich, what he is doing here?" But with young foreigners i'm working on.....
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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby cekoni » 04 Jul 2013, 05:30

@yanarudkovskaya:

Через боль и испытания,делая невозможное-возможным,Женя идет упорно к своей цели и мечте!Верим и поддерживаем !#Sochi2014
Through the pain and difficulties, making the impossible - possible, Zhenya goes persistently to his goals and dreams! We believe and support him! #Sochi2014

Уехала из Пинзоло на несколько дней, и уже соскучилась по моим парням,которые тренируются по 10 часов в сутки,дети берут пример с Жени!

Вчера с моими любимыми мальчиками в Пинзоло! http://instagram.com/p/bUQc8qFSKH/
Yesterday, with my favorite boys in Pinzolo

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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby cekoni » 04 Jul 2013, 05:40

You saw before pics of some girl with Plushy in Pinzolo - it seems that she is russian which live in Vatican, and she was there with her friends in Mishin skating camp on some kind of "private leassons"... :hi_hi_hi:
... for now just small pics - i asked her if she have bigger...

https://twitter.com/InfoEkaterina

http://www.gidporimu.ru/pinzolo
СБОРНАЯ ВАТИКАНА ПО ФИГУРНОМУ КАТАНИЮ
Наша маленькая команда от Ватикана: я, Кристина и Лучилла едем на сборы в Пинзолу проходить мастер - класс по фигурному катаниюу Алексея Мишина.
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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby lala630312 » 04 Jul 2013, 10:16

cekoni wrote:
This is completely normal sports policies, as in all other national representations.... ::yaz-yk:

Camp manager Kirsty Kull:
Before, here coming Carolina Kostner... But this year, Alexei refused her. (this is not true - she was there much earlier, 4-5 years before, and not in Pinzolo - than in Germany camp). He does not want to train russians rivals ahead of the Olympics. Believes that it is dishonorable. Not everything is measured by money...
....

Alexei Mishin:
- No, I refused Costner for another reason. Basically, I have decided to no longer work with strong foreign skaters. Because, back from our camps, Carolina Kostner all passes to her coach. And we do not need that.
Last season was and Javier Fernandez. (in Spain camp) And Zhenya Plushenko rightly remarked to me: "Alexei Nikolaevich, what he is doing here?" But with young foreigners i'm working on.....


Of course!! they are potential adversaries of the Russian skaters!
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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby clairdelalune » 04 Jul 2013, 11:52

cekoni wrote:
lala630312 wrote: http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/621286

«Раньше к нам любила приезжать Каролина Костнер ... Но в этом году Алексей Николаевич ей отказал. Он не хочет тренировать наших соперников перед Олимпиадой. Считает, что это непорядочно. Не все измеряется деньгами…»
....

– Я в принципе решил больше не работать с сильными иностранными фигуристами, – продолжает Профессор, ... Потому что, возвращаясь из наших лагерей, Каролина Костнер все передает своему тренеру. А нам этого не нужно. В прошлом сезоне был и Хавьер Фернандес. И Женя Плющенко совершенно правильно мне заметил:

«Алексей Николаевич, что он здесь делает?».
С маленькими иностранцами я продолжаю работать. ....
....

Translate please this part. :plush39: I read on GSA:
-Russian drama -- Carolina has been banned from Mishin's camps for "sharing secrets," and Plushenko has asked Mishin to restrict his students to Russians only

This is completely normal sports policies, as in all other national representations.... ::yaz-yk:

Camp manager Kirsty Kull:
Before, here coming Carolina Kostner... But this year, Alexei refused her. (this is not true - she was there much earlier, 4-5 years before, and not in Pinzolo - than in Germany camp). He does not want to train russians rivals ahead of the Olympics. Believes that it is dishonorable. Not everything is measured by money...
....

Alexei Mishin:
- No, I refused Costner for another reason. Basically, I have decided to no longer work with strong foreign skaters. Because, back from our camps, Carolina Kostner all passes to her coach. And we do not need that.
Last season was and Javier Fernandez. (in Spain camp) And Zhenya Plushenko rightly remarked to me: "Alexei Nikolaevich, what he is doing here?" But with young foreigners i'm working on.....


Personally I do not agree with such policies and I do not understand them. A lot of other coaches have open seminaries and training sessions (Orser for example, which is not ashamed to train Fernandez or Hanyu, who are Chan's rivals). Banning Carolina or Fernandez make Mishin and Evgeni look like they were afraid of tough competition.
In my opinion skaters should attend as many training camps as they could, it is the only way to improve their skating overall.
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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby Дарина » 04 Jul 2013, 12:39

clairdelalune wrote:
cekoni wrote:
lala630312 wrote: http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/621286
A lot of other coaches have open seminaries and training sessions (Orser for example, which is not ashamed to train Fernandez or Hanyu, who are Chan's rivals).


Orser is not Chan's coach.
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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby clairdelalune » 04 Jul 2013, 14:27

Дарина wrote:
Orser is not Chan's coach.



Yes, but the manager of the camp said that Mishin, "does not want to train russian's rivals ahead of the Olympics. Believes that it is dishonorable". She did not say he does not want to train Plushenko's rival (Fernandez). In fact Carolina is not even rival of the Russian skaters, she is rival of Mao Asada and Yuna Kim and a proper training with Mr. Mishin could have helped her to place high at the Olympics for Europe's glory. :plush34:
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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby Дарина » 04 Jul 2013, 15:13

clairdelalune wrote:
Дарина wrote:
Orser is not Chan's coach.


Yes, but the manager of the camp said that Mishin, "does not want to train russian's rivals ahead of the Olympics. Believes that it is dishonorable". She did not say he does not want to train Plushenko's rival (Fernandez). In fact Carolina is not even rival of the Russian skaters, she is rival of Mao Asada and Yuna Kim and a proper training with Mr. Mishin could have helped her to place high at the Olympics for Europe's glory. :plush34:


I think Carolina is a rival of Elizaveta, why not?
And according to Mishin's words Evgeni was surprised with Fernandez presence in the camp. So, Mishin doesn't want to help to Plushenko's rivals anymore.
BTW, I doubt that Plushenko would be welcomed in the camp of any foreign top coach.
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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby lala630312 » 04 Jul 2013, 15:52

clairdelalune wrote:
Дарина wrote:
Orser is not Chan's coach.



Yes, but the manager of the camp said that Mishin, "does not want to train russian's rivals ahead of the Olympics. Believes that it is dishonorable". She did not say he does not want to train Plushenko's rival (Fernandez). In fact Carolina is not even rival of the Russian skaters, she is rival of Mao Asada and Yuna Kim and a proper training with Mr. Mishin could have helped her to place high at the Olympics for Europe's glory. :plush34:


You are wrong. Elizaveta's rival is Carolina in Europe. She can beat her, as she did in 2011. And Mishin isn't Carolina's coach. Why does he help her before Sochi? And Orser is the coach of Javi and Yuzu, isn't coach of Chan, it isn't the same situation. And I really believe Plushy is the best ever, but I don't say Javier isn't opponent of Plushy, now.

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Re: Женя на тренировках || Evgeni on training

Postby clairdelalune » 04 Jul 2013, 17:00

Дарина wrote:
clairdelalune wrote:
Дарина wrote:
Orser is not Chan's coach.


Yes, but the manager of the camp said that Mishin, "does not want to train russian's rivals ahead of the Olympics. Believes that it is dishonorable". She did not say he does not want to train Plushenko's rival (Fernandez). In fact Carolina is not even rival of the Russian skaters, she is rival of Mao Asada and Yuna Kim and a proper training with Mr. Mishin could have helped her to place high at the Olympics for Europe's glory. :plush34:


I think Carolina is a rival of Elizaveta, why not?
And according to Mishin's words Evgeni was surprised with Fernandez presence in the camp. So, Mishin doesn't want to help to Plushenko's rivals anymore.
BTW, I doubt that Plushenko would be welcomed in the camp of any foreign top coach.


Great idea, Evgeni should approach Orser for a summer camp! :hi_hi_hi:
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