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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby lala630312 » 28 Aug 2013, 22:25

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cekoni wrote:and reaction of one japanese FS expert ...
:sh_ok: Who is Japanese? And who is an expert? The person you are referring to is an Irish gay living in the middle of nowhere, who btw has the marvelous collection of anti-Plu posts on FSU full of bitterness and hatred. :ze_le_ny: Don't insult Japan and expertise, if you please. :-):

As for Plu choice and interview in general, I would rather pay attention to the passage where he said he won't be on the way of youngers and let someone else to compete in Sochi if things won't be fixed in time. Which gives me the reading between the lines that his body conditions are still not super great, and therefore- the doubt is there. :ny_tik:


You are talking about @europeonice? Who is he on FSU? If I am not indiscreet... :-)
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 28 Aug 2013, 23:12

Вера wrote:
cekoni wrote: I do not think that Plushy can be compared with Bizet, Puccini and other composers

Hmm .. Really? Well, with Mozart, you can compare? :mi_ga_et: С Шекспиром уже сравнивали.

With a little Mozart, a brilliant pianist and child prodigy - yes ... but no and with Mozart composer :mi_ga_et:

Actually, for me never been clear Mishin's metaphor with Shakespeare :ne_vi_del: - I think he could find a better comparison, for example with some Renaissance artist - Da Vinci :plush45:



lovplush wrote:...
As for Flade's opinion, I did not realize that she was talking about LP. I thought she saw the SP, which is by the way gorgeous. But if she said she likes LP, then I am more than happy :-)

Yes, Tatjana answered on questions about cuts in music for his LP. :a_g_a:



whitebamboo wrote:... One of the girls at our Chinese Plushy fan forum just said something really great, I hope she won't mind me quoting it here. She said that in the past, Plushy has shown Carmen, Nijinsky, Don Jose, Shakespeare, the Godfather, the history of St. Petersburg...Perhaps now he is going to finally show himself, truly and completely. I think there is an aspect of himself in all of those previous images he showed, but now there is a chance (I know it's only a hypothetical chance, since we haven't seen the program yet) that it's going to be just him and his own story, directly, and in many facets....

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clairdelalune wrote:... I believe we should ignore them and stop asking ourselves, what would haters say if Plushy this or that...

I really can not stop to attempt to protect him from any "potential" danger :plush44:

Now I remembered and" harmless" part of Plushy's "interview" (in fact, parts from his press conference for one show in Prague before the Olympics) where one, also "nice" journalist wrote that Plushy said: "I and Joubert, actually, at all do not have transition between jumps"... do you remeber the infamous letter of the American judge who cited this, never confirmed Plushy statement by other journalists? :plush34:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby clairdelalune » 29 Aug 2013, 00:06

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clairdelalune wrote:... I believe we should ignore them and stop asking ourselves, what would haters say if Plushy this or that...

I really can not stop to attempt to protect him from any "potential" danger :plush44:

Now I remembered and" harmless" part of Plushy's "interview" (in fact, parts from his press conference for one show in Prague before the Olympics) where one, also "nice" journalist wrote that Plushy said: "I and Joubert, actually, at all do not have transition between jumps"... do you remember the infamous letter of the American judge who cited this, never confirmed Plushy statement by other journalists? :plush34:


Inman would have written that letter anyway, with or without Plushy's "interview". He is obsessed to impose his opinions, if you remember, he gave Johnny Weir 4s for TR at 2010 US Nationals.
That interview was twisted, just like the platinum medal story, unfortunately 2010 Olys proved that we don't have enough power compared to the media. I'm grateful that a respected journalist, as Tatjana Flade is reporting about Evgeni's preparation for Olys, I'm sick and tired of biased "experts". :plush29:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby whitebamboo » 29 Aug 2013, 00:13

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Actually, for me never been clear Mishin's metaphor with Shakespeare :ne_vi_del: - I think he could find a better comparison, for example with some Renaissance artist - Da Vinci :plush45:



If I were to interpret it, I would say that Shakespeare was both an actor (performer) and playwright (creator). One of the most famous descriptions of him was "myriad-minded"--that he created all these incredibly different and vivid characters, yet they all came out of his mind. Perhaps what Mishin meant was that with Evgeni, he also gave many (not nearly as many as Shakespeare, of course!) vivid and different images, "characters", in his different programs. He had this very wide range, but there is something that is "from him" in all of them. I think Evgeni is able to do this because he is also multi-faceted within, that he has all these different aspects within him.

So with this new LP--it's possible that one can say there is now no other character, so to speak, except Plushenko himself. He's taking off the paint and the masks, in a way--there's no longer anything else, any "character" or theme that comes from the outside (I mean like Nijinsky, the Godfather, Tosca, the spirit that was in Adagio, the spirit that was in Storm) between him and the audience. Well, again, my tendency toward wild romantic imaginings--in a way I could almost say this is somewhat of a "Shakespearean" way to end things, kind of like Prospero at the end of The Tempest, Shakespeare's last play: "this rough magic I here abjure". In the play, Prospero was talking about the illusions of his magical powers, but it is generally interpreted that Shakespeare was also speaking through him, and talking about the magic of his dramatic art. When the play is done, the star comes forward and takes a bow--as himself.

I've seen some people criticizing Mishin's aesthetic "taste", but I'm more and more feeling a personal agreement with (what little I can guess of) Mishin's aesthetic taste and understanding, and this is something I can somewhat imagine from him. It is also an incredibly--shockingly bold solution, because it is very, very contrary to the way people are accustomed to think, especially in figure skating. Imagine, hypothetically, that something vaguely related to this is the "idea" of this program. It's Evgeni and his team's responsibility to sell it to the audience, of course, and my worry, in this case, would be that frankly I am not convinced that it is actually possible to get such notions across. There are huge obstacles.

Sorry, of course, I am not saying this is what the actual program is going to be like, or anything close to it. I am merely talking about the concept. I'm not even saying that this babbling is anything close to what Mishin and Evgeni have in mind. It's basically an abstract exercise: one way in which I imagine the very basic and vague concept of a "Best of Plushenko" program possibly could hypothetically work. There may very well be many other ways in which it can work. I guess I just want to say that I don't think the concept itself is intrinsically a bad, or a shallow one...

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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby Вера » 29 Aug 2013, 07:26

cekoni wrote:With a little Mozart, a brilliant pianist and child prodigy - yes ... but no and with Mozart composer

Ну не надо понимать так буквально. Женя так же велик, такой же гений в своем деле, в спорте, в фигурном катании, как Моцарт в музыке. Разве не так? :mi_ga_et: Его можно назвать Моцартом фигурного катания, нет?
cekoni wrote:Actually, for me never been clear Mishin's metaphor with Shakespeare

А что непонятного? Как и Шекспир в литературе, он может воплотить уже в своем творчестве, на льду всю гамму, весь диапазон, весь спектр человеческих эмоций - от комедии до трагедии. Ты же с этим не будешь спорить? :plush45:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby clairdelalune » 29 Aug 2013, 11:09

whitebamboo wrote:Sorry, of course, I am not saying this is what the actual program is going to be like, or anything close to it. I am merely talking about the concept. I'm not even saying that this babbling is anything close to what Mishin and Evgeni have in mind. It's basically an abstract exercise: one way in which I imagine the very basic and vague concept of a "Best of Plushenko" program possibly could hypothetically work. There may very well be many other ways in which it can work. I guess I just want to say that I don't think the concept itself is intrinsically a bad, or a shallow one...


The concept is not a bad one but they will have to pay attention to: music cuts, layout, technical elements, program components. I hope they won't focus too much on what parts of music ot what past programs to chose because it is not so important at all. The details will make the difference and they have to print the IJS rules and decide what details to insert and where. :hi_hi_hi:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby let`s talk » 29 Aug 2013, 14:41

cekoni wrote:He/she is not married couple, also know as "pattinagio"? Woman is japanese, i think :plush38: ... anyway, "she" was good toward Plushy on twitter and blog :plush45:

No, not married. There is no same sex marriages in Ireland. He is in civil parthership with the person you mentioned who is a man as well. Yes, a Japanese man.
lala630312 wrote:You are talking about @europeonice? Who is on FSU? If I am not indiscreet... :-)

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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby lala630312 » 29 Aug 2013, 15:32

Thanks let's talk. :ro_za:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 30 Aug 2013, 01:25

Вера wrote:
cekoni wrote:With a little Mozart, a brilliant pianist and child prodigy - yes ... but no and with Mozart composer

Ну не надо понимать так буквально. Женя так же велик, такой же гений в своем деле, в спорте, в фигурном катании, как Моцарт в музыке. Разве не так? :mi_ga_et: Его можно назвать Моцартом фигурного катания, нет?

Yes, I prefer comparing Plushy with artists such as Mozart, or with renaissance artists (who are interested in various spheres of life and art), as Da Vinci :-): ... Shakespeare is too "stiff" for my taste :hi_hi_hi:

Just to clarify - I do not think that "performers" are inferior artists to the "authors" ... there are just a different kind of their contributions to the arts :plush45:


P.S. I'll be sorry, if it not be in his LP "Nijinsky" and "St. Petersburg 300" :plush34:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby Вера » 30 Aug 2013, 06:31

cekoni wrote:I'll be sorry, if it not be in his LP "Nijinsky" and "St. Petersburg 300"

И мне. А вот интересно, как можно показать 18-ти, 19-ти летнего Плющенко на более поздних программах? Тогда надо включать Болеро, Однажды в Америке, Кармен...Думаю, не все тайны нам раскрыли. Не сомневаюсь, что всё будет здорово. Скоро увидим :-):
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