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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby lala630312 » 17 Feb 2013, 18:19

let`s talk wrote:

I translated some quotes here:
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Thank you let's talk! I just love this man more and more. :co_ol: And I respect Yana !!! :son-ce: :a_g_a:

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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby let`s talk » 17 Feb 2013, 18:31

whitebamboo wrote:But I just don't understand some people on the Russian internet.
It might look complicated in the eyes of a foreigner but in fact things are quite simple. The core of this issue lies in the communism regime, when pretty much the whole population were on the same income and had the same opportunities or the lack of it. Therefore, when someone gets "higher" on the standards of living, it normaly happened due to promotion by powerful friends and having certain connections. All this almost automatically caused in people the feeling of jealousy and anger, and not without the legitimate grounds- even a real talent didn't have much chances to succeed without having a powerful promoter. When the USSR collapsed things didn't changed overnight. On the contrary- pretty much the same guyes in power got an access to privatization of natural resources, lands and sometimes mafia control. It took I believe 10 years or around before average guys got more or less equal opportunities to build their lives the way their achievments leveled up: more talanted and smart have more real chances to succeed than those who were less gifted. That's why usual people on the west normally don't whine and don't get jealous over someone's success- it will simply exposed them as less-gifted losers, who have the only thing left- whine with evil heart in the internet. While in RuNet, especially on FSO, there are a lot of people of older generations with communism mentality whose attitude to someone's seccess I described above. It's their natural instinct that they can't beat in themselves. Younger people, like in our blog on sports.ru, own their lives and don't need to get jealous to Plu, Yana or anyone else. We simply support Russian athletes and that is all. Also, don't forget that "Russian" often means "Russian speaker", i.e. it includes ex-USSR residents, the one who have pretty much the same mentality as I said here, but also those who immigrated from the USSR and now they can't afford the vacation in Moscow that turned out to be too expensive city for them. Plenty of reasons to get pissed for poor things. :)-(:
"Осторожно! Фанатка ЕП и ДТ" (weir.ru about let`s talk)

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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 17 Feb 2013, 20:06

Kudryavka wrote:17.02.2013

От Федерации Фигурного катания на коньках России

ImageВосхищаясь мужеством выдающегося фигуриста Евгения Плющенко и его стремлением выступить на своей четвертой Олимпиаде в Сочи-2014, ФФККР всячески способствует его скорейшему возвращению на лед.

Считаем выступление телекомментатора А. Журанкова по поводу состояния здоровья Плющенко некорректным.. Мы полностью на стороне Евгения в его желании защитить свои честь и достоинство.

Всегда поддерживая добрые отношения со средствами массовой информации, ФФККР будет сотрудничать только с журналистами, не нарушающими профессиональную этику.

http://fsrussia.ru/news/448_ot-federaci ... h-rossii-/

.... translation... :ni_zia:

From Russian Figure Skating Federation

Admiring the courage of the outstanding figure skater Evgeni Plushenko, and his desire to perform at his fourth Olympics in Sochi in 2014, RFSF in every way promotes his early return to the ice.

We consider speech of TV commentator A. Zhurankov, about state of Plushenko's health incorrect... We are fully on the side of Evgeni, in his desire to protect his honor and dignity.

Always maintaining good relations with the media, RFSF will work only with journalists that do not violate professional ethics.
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 17 Feb 2013, 20:38

Russian "transcript" of video reportage, which will be in today's News on 1TV...
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http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20130217/645808557.html

Пекарский: состояние Плющенко до операции - это была инвалидность

ВЛАДИВОСТОК, 17 фев - РИА Новости. Симптомы Евгения Плющенко до операции на позвоночнике в израильской клинике позволяли говорить о его инвалидности, однако это не противоречит тому, что на следующий день после хирургического вмешательства он передвигался самостоятельно, заявил в итоговой программе "Время" на Первом канале хирург, наблюдающий фигуриста в России, Илья Пекарский.

Комментатор телеканала "Евроспорт-2" Андрей Журанков 9 февраля во время трансляции выступления мужчин на Чемпионате четырех континентов говоря о недавно перенесенной Евгением Плющенко операции на позвоночнике, усомнился в том, что операция на самом деле была, заявив, что все утверждения об обратном являются пиар-ходом.

(02:45") "То, что я нашел у него перед осмотром, когда он приехал, - у него была слабость в ногах и нарушение в чувствительности, это уже определенный вид инвалидности. Девяносто девять пациентов из ста моих больных после такой операции идут уже на следующий день, мы заставляем их идти...То есть то, что он встал и пошел, - это норма", - сказал Пекарский.

(05') Он подчеркнул, что Плющенко - не первый фигурист, который намерен продолжать заниматься спортом после подобной операции. "Он третий чемпион мира, который оперировался, и два вернулись в спорт, один даже снова стал чемпионом мира после операции", - отметил Пекарский.

Врачи сильно напугали

Как сообщил журналистам Первого канала Плющенко, в настоящее время он чувствует себя намного лучше, скоро ему снимут швы. При этом он продемонстрировал отек вокруг шва на спине, а также его фотографию на мобильном телефоне.

"Вернусь в Израиль и покажусь врачам, которые мне все это оперировали, потому что они меня очень сильно напугали. Сказали, что, если, не дай бог, ты сделаешь какое-то скручивание неправильно, неправильно встанешь, это может реально порвать мышцу, вылетит все, и потом повторная операция - это будет сложнее гораздо, с зашиванием мышцы, это все надо будет вытаскивать и по-новому делать", - рассказал Плющенко.

Спортсмен также сообщил, как проблемы со спиной мешали ему в занятиях фигурным катанием.

(02:05") "Я в этот последний сезон прыгал элементы, делал элементы на льду и не мог дотолкнуться стопой - что одной стопой, что другой. Начал грешить на ботинки: в этот раз не сделал их на заказ, купил обычные ботинки в магазине, что-то, наверное, с ними. И когда я лег на кушетку и врач начал работать с моими стопами, я не поверил, что я не могу отжать его руки моими стопами", - сказал Плющенко.

Человек международного класса

Он подчеркнул, что ему не интересен пиар за счет сообщений в прессе о его здоровье и что, несмотря на перенесенную операцию, намерен выступать на Олимпиаде в Сочи в 2014 году.

(03:55") "Мой пиар - это мои выигранные медали, это мой спорт, и это моя философия, и я всегда шел к этому и всегда буду идти. И я не просто так это говорю, и я не просто так пошел на операцию, чтобы об этом разговаривать. Да, я хочу выступить на четвертой Олимпиаде", - сообщил фигурист.

По его словам, немало людей говорят ему о том, что он должен "уступить дорогу молодым", однако пока 31-летний фигурист не видит в этом смысла.

"Друзья мои, сейчас прошел чемпионат России, и я в десятый раз выиграл чемпионат России, также там были спортсмены молодые, которые стали вторыми, третьими, четвертыми, пятыми. Выиграйте и езжайте! Еще раз говорю: я постараюсь сделать невозможное, попытаюсь сделать все, что в моих силах", - отметил спортсмен.

Плющенко не ставит перед собой конкретной задачи на Олимпиаду-2014.
"Конечно, попытаюсь забраться на пьедестал. Я не говорю, что это - золото, серебро, но пьедестал для меня было бы, конечно, замечательно....

(05:04") Я стал международного класса человек, не просто спортсмен, а человек.... Шурупы у меня американские, полимеры у меня швейцарские, нитки у меня бельгийские, сам я - русский, вы представляете? Все на моей стороне, так что вперед к своей мечте и цели!" - подытожил фигурист.
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby Вера » 17 Feb 2013, 21:21

cekoni wrote:Russian "transcript" of video reportage, which will be in today's News on 1TV...
viewtopic.php?f=3&p=77884#p77883

Воскресное Время, 1 канал, 17.02.2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tolpEQ5gZ-U


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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby lovplush » 17 Feb 2013, 22:50



He looks kind of cheerful in the video :plush45: . So relieved and glad :-):
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 17 Feb 2013, 23:52

Вера wrote:
cekoni wrote:Russian "transcript" of video reportage, which will be in today's News on 1TV...
viewtopic.php?f=3&p=77884#p77883

Воскресное Время, 1 канал, 17.02.2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tolpEQ5gZ-U
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1TV signed Zhurankov's comments, as if it from a Europeans... :du_ma_et: :kli_ny:

Plushy: "I am now Terminator... and I'll be back" :-)
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 18 Feb 2013, 01:13

Can someone to translate last video? :plush39: ... i marked with bold letters russian transcript, and put there times :plush45:
viewtopic.php?f=3&p=77887#p77884



whitebamboo wrote:... I didn't understand what шурупчик was, and at first I thought Dr. Pekarsky meant something that happened to Evgeni's spine in Zagreb, instead of the operation itself...

"шурупчик" is little screw :mi_ga_et:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby whitebamboo » 18 Feb 2013, 02:40

I've been seeing people going on about "freedom of speech", and somehow interpreting it to say that Zhurankov can say whatever he wanted on his broadcast with no consequences. This also irritates me hugely: it just seems to be based on a complete (and perhaps willful) ignorance of how freedom of speech works.

I also do not know much about laws regarding freedom of speech and defamation, in Russia or in other parts of the world, but even a basic googling and a mere look at wikipedia has told me that almost in every country, freedom of speech is not completely unrestricted. These restrictions are recognized by the United Nations, among other things. In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, it was recognized that freedom of speech are "subject to certain restrictions" when necessary, and one recognized reason for such restrictions is "respect of the rights or reputation of others".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

Another wikipedia article, that on defamation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
This article does not specifically include Russian laws, but it gives an overview of the generally recognized nature of defamation/slander/libel, and laws regarding defamation in many countries. I would like to suggest that people take a quick glance at it, if they can. In particular, it mentions that in the same International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights as above, it is stated that

1. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his honour and reputation.
2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.


I do want to mention that there are people who believe that defamation should not be criminalized (as opposed to a matter for the civil courts), or that such criminal defamation laws should be restricted. However, in many countries other than Russia, including including many "Western" ones, such countries in Western Europe, in Canada and states of the U. S., defamation is a crime, and in many of these countries, it is punishable by stronger sentences than what, as I understand it, can be dealt out to Zhurnakov if he is found guilty. (In Russia, as I understood it, please correct me if I am wrong, defamation was for a while only a civil matter, but was returned to being a part of the criminal code last year.)

I do not know what are the current Russian laws and principles--in terms of standards of proving defamation--that Plushy's lawyer has to work with. The wikipedia article discussed some general principles, including for instance in the U. S.(which, apparently, is generally and roughly speaking more friendly to the defendant in such cases, compared to most places in Europe). It seemed to me that even under those standards, this would probably be a case that is fairly favorable to Plushy, given what Zhurankov said both during the broadcast and later, the way he said them, and the situation (on national television, in the capacity as a commentator) in which he said them, etc.

Sorry again fro this rambling post...I guess, I wanted to mention these things in response to those people who are throwing the phrase "freedom of speech" around without understanding what it means. Of course, I am a complete lay person when it comes to law, but it seems that one ends up learning all sorts of knowledge from being a Plushy fan, even if only in a cursory manner... :-) Basically, I feel that to associate this case with whatever opinions one holds about "the state of freedom of speech in Russia" is both illogical and without any basis in facts, and to suggest that Plushy is somehow "trying to restrict Zhurankov's freedom of speech" is a complete misrepresentation, and utterly ignorant.

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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 18 Feb 2013, 04:42

whitebamboo wrote:... I wanted to mention these things in response to those people who are throwing the phrase "freedom of speech" around without understanding what it means. Of course, I am a complete lay person when it comes to law, but it seems that one ends up learning all sorts of knowledge from being a Plushy fan, even if only in a cursory manner... :-) Basically, I feel that to associate this case with whatever opinions one holds about "the state of freedom of speech in Russia" is both illogical and without any basis in facts, and to suggest that Plushy is somehow "trying to restrict Zhurankov's freedom of speech" is a complete misrepresentation, and utterly ignorant.

Did you read my conversation on twitter? :hi_hi_hi:

Anyway, how much i can see, the biggest problem with the understanding of "freedom of speech" is in countries that have not had it - and now they do not realize, where are boundaries - they exist, and they are very well defined in countries that live long in a "democracy" :plush34:

... as Dirty Harry once said: "Opinions are like assholes- everyone's got one" :-)
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