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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 18 Apr 2013, 14:39

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cekoni wrote:Evgeni Plushenko: "Foreign choreographer recommended to me Igor Zelenskiy "
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I plan to go to Novosibirsk to begin rehearsals of a new program with a very well-known foreign choreographer. Him was recommended to me Igor Zelensky

You mean, Zhenya was recommended Zelensky by the famous choreographer? or Zelensky recommended the choreographer? :plush38:

My "english" :kli_ny: ... sorry girls :smu:sche_nie: - yes, as Vera wrote: "Zelensky recommended the choreographer" :co_ol:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby Gabry » 18 Apr 2013, 18:25

Thanks a lot for all the fantastic news!! I can't wait to know who the well-known foreign coreographer is!!

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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby Kudryavka » 19 Apr 2013, 12:20

I found an interesting interview with Igor Zelensky in 2003.
Igor had two herniated intervertebral disk surgeries by 2003, when he was about 30. He had to lie in bed for 6 months after surgery. At that time nobody knew if he can dance again, but he made a comeback in 2003. (Though it seems that he suffered from herniated disk again in 2006.)
In addition, Igor was a promising athlete in track and field, before his mother chose ballet for him (by 15 years old).
http://www.criticaldance.com/interviews ... rview.html

Maybe Zhenya and Igor can become good friends :a_g_a:


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This is just an aside, Igor was dating with Yekaterina Gordeeva in the late '90s, when he was dancing with the NYCB. :-)
http://articles.courant.com/1997-12-17/ ... e-brasseur
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby Kudryavka » 20 Apr 2013, 22:28

Lenoschka-Ispanskiy wrote:Just for fun... Mark Morris ?

:du_ma_et:

or Edward Liang. It's always enjoyable to think about what will come next! :son-ce:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby Kudryavka » 21 Apr 2013, 22:52

I don't know if it's true but today some ballet fans were talking that Patrick de Bana will choreograph for Zhenya. Patrick is now in Tokyo to take part in the Gala of Manuel Legris. So there is a possibility that they asked Patrick about Zhenya. We will see. :mo-ro_zi_vo:
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby Lenoschka-Ispanskiy » 22 Apr 2013, 19:47

May be.
Many posibilities. Place your bets!!

Really exciting waiting...

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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 22 Apr 2013, 23:14

Kudryavka wrote:I don't know if it's true but today some ballet fans were talking that Patrick de Bana will choreograph for Zhenya. Patrick is now in Tokyo to take part in the Gala of Manuel Legris. So there is a possibility that they asked Patrick about Zhenya. We will see. :mo-ro_zi_vo:

Interesting, Bana was in Belgrade, few days before :hi_hi_hi:
http://www.belgradedancefestival.com/20 ... gram&iid=7
http://www.tanjug.rs/news/83973/vienna- ... lgrade.htm
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 03 May 2013, 16:18

After this short sentence, we had long discussion on twitter with author, and other journalists (who, of course, defended the "right of his colleague") ... to write any nonsense ::yaz-yk:
Her statement is not so bad (what we have already read), but it really baseless, almost dumb :ps_ih:

Part II: Icenetwork.com picks faves from 2012-13
By Lynn Rutherford,...:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article. ... y=ice_news

Biggest disappointment:
....
Close second: If the great Evgeni Plushenko was so injured, he should have stepped aside and let Konstantin Menshov compete at the 2013 European Figure Skating Championships.


Here are just final response of our whitebamboo :plush39: .... maybe she will give us "text" version :mi_ga_et:

https://twitter.com/alena_hu/status/330 ... 70/photo/1
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby cekoni » 03 May 2013, 21:13

:ni_zia: I would appreciate the journalistic profession, if only once, someone... admitted a mistake and change opinion :kli_ny: ... Her reply...

@LynnRutherford:
https://twitter.com/LynnRutherford/stat ... 4370285568

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Do not apologize. It is an honor when a figure skating fan reads an article, tweet or commentary.

I first saw Plushenko compete live at Skate America in Detroit in 1997. I remember saying at a practice, ‘Who put that poor little blonde boy in the terrible green costume?’ Then he started to skate.

There is little doubt Plushenko is the best men’s competitor of his era and then some. In my eyes, he takes the nod over Yagudin due to the length of his career. His duel with Yagudin at the 2000 Europeans was the best figure skating contest I ever witnessed live. For once I had a seat behind the panel, and the skaters’ command of their triple Axel-triple toe combinations was such they locked eyes with select judges as they landed their jumps. Like everyone else, I also watched Plushenko win gold by an astounding margin in 2006 and come within a hair of repeating in 2010.

So, it’s disappointing – not sad or tragic, but disappointing – to see a clearly injured Plushenko perform under par at an event he has won seven times. I was not present at Europeans, I watched video after the fact, but European colleagues wrote of Plushenko speaking to the media about his painful back/knees and also noted he could not bend over to pick up flowers.

This is a 30-year-old man, highly intelligent, with access to the finest medical specialists. In my mind he would have been wiser to skip Europeans and focus on doing what he needed to do, in order to try to compete in the team event in Sochi if not the individual event, rather than push for an eighth title. I did not intend to make Konstantin Menshov the focus of the sentence, as so many Plushenko fans apparently think. Obviously Plushenko is not the official (or committee) in charge of the Russian selection process; I mentioned Menshov to point out another capable elite man was available. But yes, I do think it would have added to Plushenko’s abundant legend if he had said, “I am just too injured right now, let someone else go and I will be back.”
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Re: Пресса о Жене, интервью Жени || Press about Evgeni ON Ic

Postby whitebamboo » 04 May 2013, 03:08

cekoni wrote:After this short sentence, we had long discussion on twitter with author, and other journalists (who, of course, defended the "right of his colleague") ... to write any nonsense ::yaz-yk:
Her statement is not so bad (what we have already read), but it really baseless, almost dumb :ps_ih:

Part II: Icenetwork.com picks faves from 2012-13
By Lynn Rutherford,...:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article. ... y=ice_news

Biggest disappointment:
....
Close second: If the great Evgeni Plushenko was so injured, he should have stepped aside and let Konstantin Menshov compete at the 2013 European Figure Skating Championships.


Here are just final response of our whitebamboo :plush39: .... maybe she will give us "text" version :mi_ga_et:

https://twitter.com/alena_hu/status/330 ... 70/photo/1


*blushes* Here was what I said on twitter to her:

My regrets in advance for any possible offense, Ms. Rutherford, I certainly do not mean the following personally, but herely in regard to your specific words on this occasion. This is bait-and-switch: in the article it was all about how Plushenko should've "stepped aside and let Menshov skate. So I believe a normal reader can only interpret it (and your later comments) to mean that your disappointment was not in his performance, but that it wasn't "gracious" that he did not do so.

Whether Plushenko himself at Euros was disappointing or not, imho it is presumptuous for a third party to suggest any athlete didn't need to try, or shouldn't, just because he has 7 or whatever number of titles, and then criticize him for trying ("I was a bit critical"). And it's hypocritical in this case to talk about how it would've been "gracious", given that it was not Plushenko who took away Menshov's spot. One could argue--in safe retrospect--whether it was the correct decision for Plushenko to go to the Euros for his own sake, but as he earned his spot as RN champion, I believe this is the only legitimate context in which the question can be discussed. Menshov not being able to go to the Euros this year might be an injustice, but it had nothing to do with Plushenko.

I'd like to mention a quote from Alexei Mishin, who said there are extraordinary people who "overcome themselves for the discovery of new opportunities". On other occasions, he said that what Plushenko is trying to do is to "open a window into the unknown"--in the sense of expanding what is considered humanly possible. This is why your statement that he has 7 European titles and therefore "doesn't need to suffer so to try for 8" comes across so jarringly to me, Ms. Rutherford. Yes, it is extraordinarily difficult for him, and fans like me worry constantly about his injuries and his pain. Nevertheless, to me (and I believe also to many others), sportsmanship is about the need to try and fight. It is about opening windows into the unknown. It is about Citius, Altius, Fortius, which is still the Olympic motto, instead of "graciously stepping aside". I believe these things are indeed a large part of the purpose of sport, and a large part of why it is inspirational for so many. And as a Plushenko fan, I do quote these words above with (however vicarious) pride, because I believe that through his career so far, he has truly done his best to carry them out.

Again, my regrets: it is very possible that we are merely talking past each other, and of course I've already butted in quite a bit as it was. Needless to say, I mean the above merely as a respectful offering of a different viewpoint.


I think I am beginning to really hate the word "gracious"...Too many times it has been used in a way that appears to me, frankly, as a demand for hypocrisy.

About her reply, I appreciate the fact that she took the time to write this long and very civil response (unlike some others, who just condescendingly told us to get "thicker skin"). I also very much appreciate that she has written many positive things about Plushy before. Still, this time, she wrote what she wrote, in the article and in later tweets, and I don't think it makes sense to talk as if Plushy fans were the ones who misinterpreted it.

I did not intend to make Konstantin Menshov the focus of the sentence, as so many Plushenko fans apparently think.


Well, I am glad that she admitted (sort of) it wasn't suppose to be about Menshov. But the way she wrote it, the focus of the sentence was Menshov, and it wasn't about how Plushenko fans "apparently think" (implying that we're misinterpreting). Whatever she thought about Plushy at this year's Euros or whether he should have gone, it should not have anything whatsoever to do with Menshov. Period.

But yes, I do think it would have added to Plushenko’s abundant legend if he had said, “I am just too injured right now, let someone else go and I will be back.”


This last sentence, though, is rather curious to me. There's been plenty of times when Plushy didn't go to a competition due to his physical condition, and others have been able to go in his stead. But has those times added to his reputation? Frankly, what I've mostly seen on those occasions were people questioning his commitment, courage, integrity, blaming him for the loss of spots for Russia, etc., etc. Or does she mean that this business of adding to his reputation would only work if he also somehow makes a statement to the effect that "I'm stepping aside and letting someone else go because I am so injured" and therefore making himself looking "gracious" or whatever? That would be, in my opinion, what I called "demand for hypocrisy" above. If he didn't go because of his injuries--well, then it's because of his injuries. "Letting someone else go" would have nothing to do with it.

And if she wanted Plushy to talk this way, shouldn't she demand it of other skaters, too? So every time a skater decides to skip or withdraw from a competition due to injuries or whatever reasons, he or she should smile and say "I'm stepping aside and giving someone else a chance" (implicitly: "look, I'm being gracious")? The very thought is horrifying to me, frankly.

But, I don't know, I don't feel like arguing with her now. It's just kind of depressing to me, the way many people seem to think...(not about Plushy, but in general)

P. S. One more thing...So she thinks Plushy should "add to his abundant legend" by talking and not by fighting?

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