ISU Гран При сезон 2010/11|| ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Другие фигуристы, различные фигурнокатательные мероприятия || Other skaters and events without Evgeni

Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby cekoni » 02 Nov 2010, 11:02

Blog of "infamous" Thony Wheeler ... which we criticized before month-2... :-)

Some "analysis" of Men's competition ... In addition to being favored Adam Rippon's (who is American, as and he ::yaz-yk: ) and "ignoring" the two qauds of Reynolds... his other comments are in place... :plush34:

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LIVE BLOG Skate Canada: Mens Short Program, Group 2:
http://www.flutzingaround.com/2010/10/l ... rt_29.html

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Artur Gachinski RUS
Sick before the event, seemed to be day-to-day even after he arrived. Good start to the season so far. Money by Pink Floyd yet again. Quad toe loop right away with a big step out, so no combo. He has the arm movements but he looks down rather than to the crowd. The triple Axel was big though, but then to show off he curled the edge rather than letting it extend and flow. Same with the triple loop. Sit/twist/ change/sit. Great Gig In the Sky now. Circular footwork has some nice movements in it but it again looks a bit heavy and there's a lot of arm movements that would come across much better if he'd look up rather than into space/at the ice. Flying camel and then a catchfoot almost donut is centered but on the slow side. Camel/change edge/ sit with variation/change / sit/y spin and thats a strong position. I want to like the Russians, but I feel like all of the skaters that come from Mishin all try to emulate Plushenko and with that comes little as far as the in-betweens and none of them have anywhere near the command Evgeny has, and that's a big part of what makes him successful.
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Love You Patrick, But Really?:
http://www.flutzingaround.com/2010/10/l ... eally.html

More Skate Canada: Judging the Men, Part One:
http://www.flutzingaround.com/2010/11/m ... t-one.html

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http://www.flutzingaround.com/2010/11/m ... .html#more
November 1, 2010

More Skate Canada: Judging the Men, The Conclusion

Moving right along with the free skates of Patrick Chan, Adam Rippon, and Nobunari Oda.. I must be extremely motivated today..

First, your own results. Out of 316 votes in the last day and a half, 76% said that Nobunari Oda should have been the winner of the event. Adam Rippon was second with 12%, and Patrick Chan (the actual gold medalist) only received 6% of the vote. My "fun" option of choosing either Kevin Reynolds or Javier Fernandez as the winner even garnered 4% of the vote!

Below the break, my detailed long program scores and final results. No, I'm not a real judge. It's still fun!

Patrick Chan

4T 2 (Tough between +1 and +2 here, but I think the latter is acceptable. Nice flow in and out, and it covered plenty of ice)
3A -3 (This one is again a bit cheated, but I don't think it's enough to warrant an under-rotation)
3Lz 0 (Landed a bit backwards and really had to fight to stay solid as the free leg came around)
SlSt3 2 (Solid this time around)
FSSp4 1 (Good speed, good center, not remarkable)
--- Half-way point
3A+2T 0 (Again off balance and more towards the ball of the foot rather than a smooth run-out of the Axel)
3Lz+1Lo+2S 0 (Same issue as with the first Lutz here)
CSSp3 1 (Story of all his spins-- good)
3F 0 (Entry steps helped keep this at a 0-- no flow on the landing)
3Lo+3T (under-rotated) -1 (Just about the same cheat here as the Axel in the short, it got called this time. The second jump itself was also off balance and he couldn't hold the landing)
2A 0 (Balance issue, it was almost too big. Nice entry, but shaky jump)
ChSt1 3 (This is as good as a 2.0-value step sequence is going to get, I will admit)
CCoSp4 1 (Not a fan of the scratch on the change-foot.. travels and is average speed)
TES= 80.84
Judges had it at 83.18. Not far off, but I think some of them got a little +GOE happy with shaky jumps.

SS 8.50
TR 8.25
PE 8.00
CH 8.50
IN 8.00
PCS= 82.50
All obviously great, but I think his interpretation is still the area that lacks the most (unlike most others where it's the transitions)

Deductions= -1.00 (fall)

My total score= 162.34
Still amazing total for the small mistakes.
TOTAL COMPETITION SCORE= 230.94
So, I'd personally say he was over-marked by about 10 points in this competition.


Adam Rippon

3A+2T 0 (Had to fight for the Axel, and no height)
2A 1 (Spread eagles directly into the jump save it from being a 0, as he had almost the same jump as Chan-- slightly big)
3Lz 2 (Nice steps in, arms above the head, just a bit more flow out and it's a +3)
CiSt2 1 (He does this to a slower part of the music which helps mask the speed issues. Good, not amazing)
FCSSp3 1 (Nice positions, need more speed)
--- Half-way point
3A -2 (Big step-out on the landing)
3F+3T 1 (Flip has been better, but still good)
3Lz+2T+2Lo 1 (The last jump didn't have any flow, but nice transition into the three jumps, and all three had a hand over the head)
3Lo 1
CCoSp4 1 (Great positions, but it slows)
ChSt1 2 (Nice control throughout)
3S 1
FCCoSp4 2 (Nice donut position, fast and centered sit spin even if I don't love the variation, and a fast centered scratch-- good spin)
TES= 80.54
Just like the short, no complaints so far. Only a 0.19 difference between me and the judges.

SS 7.50
TR 7.50
PE 7.50
CH 7.75
IN 8.00
PCS= 76.50
Pretty consistent in my opinion across the board again. He really listens to the music, and I think that's his strong point. Skating skills almost there. Not far off from the judges, but they remained about even with CH and IN while I obviously went up a little.

My total score= 157.04
Not as good as Chan in the long, but I think the judges did a very good job of marking him as he should have been scored throughout the competition. At least there's one skater they did that for :)
TOTAL COMPETITION SCORE= 234.69
First on my scorecard by 3.75 points. A lot closer than you thought, huh?!


Nobunari Oda

4T -1 under-rotated (It was not called under-rotated, but I've taken a screen shot to again show what I believe to be enough of a cheat to call it that. Anyways, hand down here)
3A+3T 1 (Nice knee-bend on both landings, but the second jump was near the boards and really didn't cover any distance)
3F 2 (Now this was a really nice jump)
CiSt2 1 (Good, but just that)
CCoSp4 1 (Slight travel but nice positions)
--- Half-way point
3A -3 (Close on the under-rotation again but I think he got around far enough. Hard fall)
3Lz 2 (Brackets right into the jump and great flow out)
3Lo 1
3S+3T 1 (Again, the second jump kinda went straight up and down but good flow out as always)
2A 1 (Nice high jump)
ChSt1 1 (Not blown away.. he looked tired and labored, Still, better than just average)
FCCoSp4 0 (First half of the spin was messy and a little off balance coming out)
FSSp3 -1 (Had to go negative here. Traveled again and really slowed down)
TES= 76.72
Judges are at 81.87. Again, the technical panel didn't downgrade the quad toe and I did, so that's a difference of 3.10 points right there.

SS 8.00
TR 7.00
PE 7.50
CH 7.25
IN 7.00
PCS= 73.50
I think the judges more-or-less got it right with the components. I'd definitely only have him ahead of Rippon on the skating skills in this performance. The choreography with three jumps in a row and then five in a row, and the two weak spins at the end was questionable.

Deductions= -1.00 (fall)

My total score= 149.22
Again, most of this has to do with my calling the quad toe under-rotated. The actual judges had no decision in that. If you're curious, the score without that under-rotation call would be 152.32.
TOTAL COMPETITION SCORE= 228.22
Again, without the under-rotation he would have 231.32 total and would place ahead of Patrick Chan. However, I do think the jump should have been scored my way and that would put him third overall. You can look at the photo and make your own decision :)


Final overall standings:
1) Adam Rippon 234.69
2) Patrick Chan 230.94
3) Nobunari Oda 228.22

So, a pretty close competition in my eyes. As always, it seems like it might come down to those close calls on the rotation of jumps to determine the standings more than anything else. Remember, Chan had one in the short program and without it, he'd be extremely close to Rippon on my scorecard-- even with four falls.
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Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby clairdelalune » 02 Nov 2010, 11:23

Very interesting what´s happening. As I´ve said long time ago it´s just a matter of time before Amerians and Canadians start to bash each other. It´s just the beggining and the best is yet to come, just wait!!!! :mo-ro_zi_vo:
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Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby cekoni » 02 Nov 2010, 11:30

clairdelalune wrote:Very interesting what´s happening. As I´ve said long time ago it´s just a matter of time before Amerians and Canadians start to bash each other. It´s just the beggining and the best is yet to come, just wait!!!! :mo-ro_zi_vo:

Pity that Chan dont go on Skate America :-)
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Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby cekoni » 02 Nov 2010, 11:35

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Ярослав КОРОБАТОВ — 02.11.2010

У Слуцкой появилась достойная смена, а у Плющенко - пока нет

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17-летняя Ксения Макарова (слева) пропустила вперед только американку Алису Чисни.

Наши юные фигуристы очень удачно выступили на втором этапе серии Гран-при «Скейт Канада»

Чемпионы мира среди юниоров-2009 Любовь Илюшечкина и Нодари Майсурадзе победили в парном катании. А дочь известных фигуристов Ларисы Селезневой и Олега Макарова Ксения сумела выиграть «серебро» на своем первом взрослом этапе Гран-при.

- Мы решили, что на этапах Гран-при будем обкатывать молодежь, которая должна выстрелить к Олимпиаде-2014 в Сочи. Можно сказать, что пока такая тактика оправдывает себя, - говорит генеральный директор Федерации фигурного катания России Валентин Писеев. - В Японии наша пара Базарова - Ларионов заняла второе место. В Канаде в медали попали Илюшечкина и Майсурадзе и Ксения Макарова. Хотя мы не ждем от спортсменов сиюминутного результата. В большинстве своем мы обкатываем вчерашних юниоров, и многие из них впервые сталкиваются лицом к лицу с теми, с кем им предстоит бороться на Играх-2014.

- Этим, видимо, объясняется неудачный старт преемника Плющенко - 17-летнего Артура Гачинского?

- Естественно, мы ждали от него более успешного результата, нежели седьмое место на этапе в Канаде. Вернее, ждали более успешного проката. Я видел его выступление в Новогорске, и Артур произвел на меня потрясающее впечатление. Потом у него был блистательный прокат во Франции на Кубке Ниццы. Если бы он откатал на том же уровне, результат на «Скейт Канада» был бы принципиально иным. Но одно дело - соревноваться со сверстниками, и совсем другой расклад, когда ты имеешь дело с лидерами мирового катания.

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От 19-летней Любови Илюшечкиной и 22-летнего Нодари Майсурадзе ждут «золота» Сочи-2014. А побеждают они уже сейчас...

- Призы на этапах Гран-при говорят, что ситуация изменилась в нашу пользу?

- Я бы не стал обольщаться. Ведь надо задаваться вопросом: а с кем мы соревновались? Например, в Канаде среди пар не было такой конкуренции, как будет на этапе Гран-при в Китае. Могу сказать, что перед стартом серии Гран-при идет распределение участников. Словом, состав получается не везде ровный. Кроме того, каждый участник может выступить не более чем на двух этапах, по результатам которых и будут определяться финалисты Гран-при.

- Сейчас много говорят о включении командного фигурного катания в программу Олимпиады в Сочи...

- Я считаю, велика вероятность того, что это произойдет и мы будем разыгрывать не четыре олимпийские медали, а пять. Я почувствовал заинтересованность и Международного союза конькобежцев, и Международного олимпийского комитета. Товар лицом мы сможем представить на командном чемпионате мира в Японии, который пройдет в апреле будущего года. Но пока непонятно, в каком формате будет проводиться олимпийский турнир. Этот вопрос в стадии обсуждения.

Гран-при. Второй этап. Skate Canada

Спортивные пары.
1. Любовь Илюшечкина / Нодари Майсурадзе (Россия) - 171,40 балла. 2. Кирстен Мур-Тоуэрс / Дилан Москович - 170,92. 3. Пэйдж Лоуренс / Руди Свигерс (обе пары - Канада) - 161,15.

Женщины
1. Алиса Чисни (США) - 172,37 балла. 2. Ксения Макарова (Россия) - 165,00. 3. Амели Лакост (Канада) - 157,26.

Мужчины
1. Патрик Чан (Канада) - 239,52 балла. 2. Нобунари Ода (Япония) - 236,52. 3. Адам Риппон (США) - 233,04... 7. Артур Гачинский (Россия) - 204,08.

Танцевальные дуэты.
1. Ванесса Крон / Поль Пурье (Канада) - 154,42 балла. 2. Шинэд Керр / Джон Керр (Великобритания) - 149,80. 3. Мэдисон Чок / Грег Цурляйн (США) - 139,05... 6. Кристина Горшкова / Виталий Бутиков (Россия) - 127,45.
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Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby cekoni » 02 Nov 2010, 11:46

Rippon/Chan collision (Skate Canada 2010):- warmup before SP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F80ouAg4l5Q

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SKATE CANADA 2010 - ILIUSHECHKINA / MAISURADZE - Pairs FS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbIEarEjWkg

2010 skate canada Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV - Ice Dance FD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc6VqABp_fQ

... other Ice Dance couples - FD:
http://www.youtube.com/user/diodio0013#g/u

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Skate Canada Exibition - youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/2010SkateCanada
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Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby simona » 02 Nov 2010, 12:15



cekoni wrote:
clairdelalune wrote:Very interesting what´s happening. As I´ve said long time ago
it´s just a matter of time before Amerians andCanadians start
to bash each other. It´s just the beggining and the best is yet
to come, just wait!!!!
:mo-ro_zi_vo:

Pity that Chan dont go on Skate America :-)

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ANOTHER 'BATTLE :du_el: OF THE BRIANS!' IN THE MAKING?
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Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby Gal4onok » 03 Nov 2010, 07:58

Tales from the Great White North: Chan's scores a joke

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One of Patrick Chan's three falls in the Skate Canada short program. Even ungainly moments like this did not keep judges from giving him high scores for skating skills (Associated Press / Paul Chiasson)

By Philip Hersh

Some readers emailed and posted comments wondering if I were going to say anything about Canadian star Patrick Chan's scores at Skate Canada over the weekend, since I had written only about the women's event.

So I decided to watch replays of the men's competition (thanks to Universal Sports' website) to see why the readers were concerned.

And it didn't take long to figure it out.

Chan's scores -- mainly those for program components, the ``artistic'' side of the judging -- were so inflated they were a joke.

I mean, how do you get marks in the 8's and 9's (out of 10) for skating skills and performance / execution of a short program in which you fall twice on jumps and once on a footwork sequence? (As Uni Sports commentator Michael Weiss said of Chan's short program total, ``That's a generous score.'')

By propping Chan up with component scores in the short program, the judges kept him close enough to the lead that his respectable but flawed free skate (fall on a jump, hinky landings on two others) could win the competition. And while Chan deserved to win the free skate, his component scores were inflated there, as well.

``To his credit, Patrick came back after that short program to do a good free,'' Weiss said when we spoke by telephone Tuesday. ``But he should never have had a chance to win the competition after the short program.

``The judges always used the old artistic mark to hold a skater up. Now they do it with the component scores. Their argument is you still have the same skating skills and choreographic skills whether you hit the jumps or not. But how can your skating skills be good if you're falling?''

At his best, Chan is by far the most esthetically pleasing men's skater in the competitive world now. His spins are dynamic, his footwork eye-catching, his blade work outstanding. But he was far from his best at Skate Canada, and it is ridiculous to think the physical mistakes don't debase the artistry and technique and choreography the component marks are supposed to evaluate.

Even Chan seemed to realize that when he explained the scores in the short program by saying this, as reported by Lynn Rutherford of the Ice Network, ``That shows the importance of [good] practices. The judges know I can do the program. It shows they want me to do well. That's good to know; it definitely cheered me up a little bit."

The judges are supposed to mark what they see, not what they want. No wonder Chan was cheered up, with a judging panel cheerleading for him.
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Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby simona » 03 Nov 2010, 16:02



Gal4onok wrote:Tales from the Great White North: Chan's scores a joke!

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http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_s ... 61181.html
Gal4onok wrote: " The judges are supposed to mark what they see, not what they want! "
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/spo ... ccess.html

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Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby Irisha2010 » 03 Nov 2010, 22:58

Золотые падения Патрика Чана.
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Re: ISU Гран При этапы || ISU Gran Prix series 2010/11

Postby cekoni » 04 Nov 2010, 08:35

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ISU Grand Prix "Cup of China"
Beijing / CHN The Capital Indoor Stadium
05.- 07.11.2010


http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00011184.htm
http://www.cupofchina2010.sports.cn/

Competition Schedule:
http://www.cupofchina2010.sports.cn/ei/ ... index.html

Friday, Nov. 5 2010 Opening on Ice 14:15
Friday, Nov. 5 2010 Ice Dancing--Short Dance 14:45
Friday, Nov. 5 2010 Ladies--Short Program 16:30
Friday, Nov. 5 2010 Men--Short Program 18:25
Friday, Nov. 5 2010 Pairs--Short Program 20:20

Friday, Nov. 6 2010 Ice Dancing--Free Dance 14:00
Saturday, Nov. 6 2010 Ladies--Free Skating 15:55
Saturday, Nov. 6 2010 Men--Free Skating 18:05
Saturday, Nov. 6 2010 Pairs--Free Skating 20:25
Saturday, Nov. 6 2010 Awards 21:50

Sunday, Nov. 7 2010 Round Table Discussions 09:00
Sunday, Nov. 7 2010 Exhibition 14:30
Sunday, Nov. 7 2010 Prize Awards & Closing Banquet 19:00


Competitors

Men Competitors:
http://www.cupofchina2010.sports.cn/ei/ ... 30906.html
1 Peitong CHEN CHN
2 Jinlin GUAN CHN
3 Jialiang WU CHN
4 Tomas VERNER CZE
5 Brian JOUBERT FRA
6 Samuel CONTESTI ITA
7 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN
8 Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN
9 Sergei VORONOV RUS
10 Ross MINER USA
11 Brandon MROZ USA

Ladies Competitors:
http://www.cupofchina2010.sports.cn/ei/ ... 30903.html
1 Bingwa GENG CHN
2 Yan LIU CHN
3 Qiuying ZHU CHN
4 Miki ANDO JPN
5 Akiko SUZUKI JPN
6 Min-Jeong KWAK KOR
7 Alena LEONOVA RUS
8 Joshi HELGESSON SWE
9 Amanda DOBBS USA
10 Kristine MUSADEMBA USA
11 Mirai NAGASU USA

Pairs Competitors:
http://www.cupofchina2010.sports.cn/ei/ ... 30900.html
1 Kaleigh HOLE / Adam JOHNSON CAN
2 Huibo DONG / Yiming WU CHN
3 Qing PANG / Jian TONG CHN
4 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN
5 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Yannick KOCON ITA
6 Lubov ILIUSHECHKINA / Nodari MAISURADZE RUS
7 Amanda EVORA / Mark LADWIG USA
8 Caitlin YANKOWSKAS / John COUGHLIN USA

Ice-Dance Competitors:
http://www.cupofchina2010.sports.cn/ei/ ... 30899.html
1 Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN
2 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG CHN
3 Xintong HUANG / Xun ZHENG CHN
4 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG CHN
5 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA
6 Nora HOFFMANN / Maxim ZAVOZIN HUN
7 Federica FAIELLA / Massimo SCALI ITA
8 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS
9 Isabella CANNUSCIO / Ian LORELLO USA
10 Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL USA

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TV Schedule & Live Stream

НТВ-ПЛЮС Спорт Онлайн

http://www.ntvplus.ru/sport/article.xl?id=45582

пятница, 5.11 - 09:45
Короткий танец. Женщины. Мужчины. Пары. Короткая программа. Прямая трансляция

суббота, 6.11 - 09:00
Произвольный танец. Женщины. Мужчины. Пары. Произвольная программа. Прямая трансляция

воскресенье, 7.11 - 09:25
Показательные выступления. Прямая трансляция

"NTV+ Sport Online" Live stream: http://tvali.ge/gadget.php?channel=70954

CCTV5 & RAI Sport 1: http://www.artonice.it/?q=en/event

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

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reprises - Поиск по телепрограмме: "Гран-При "CUP OF CHINA":
http://www.ntvplus.ru/tv/search.xl?sear ... F+CHINA%22
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