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[lala630312]

Alysonshade wrote:
"Maybe this one? Perhaps the other one?"

You're right. I ashamed of myself, when i read this story, promptly i had a tip. This is not good, not good.

[Дарина]

А вот Джонни катается и поёт свою песню "Грязная Любовь". Ничего так песенка

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t98yzl7f6YY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bILGmeUAQ18

[cekoni]

Even worse. This statement will start the hunt for the "JW's clandestine lover". There will not be a single journalist or just a curious who will not wonder himself, looking at every skater in the world: "Maybe this one? Perhaps the other one?". As for me, I don't like this kind of "sport".

Do not worry - in the world of skating everybody already know "who is who" ... there will be no "witch hunts"

[cekoni]

http://www.afterelton.com/people/2011/0 ... really-out

Johnny Weir No Longer Skating Around the Gay Thing



Johnny Weir has a memoir coming out soon called "Welcome to My World" and savvy marketing chap that he is, he's promoting it by leaking/selling excerpts to People magazine. The big news (or non-news) is that Weir finally, explicitly comes out as gay:
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http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-skat ... 63406.html

Джонни Вейр: «Я люблю и принимаю себя таким, какой я есть»

Трехкратный чемпион США Джонни Вейр в своей автобиографии уточнил сексуальную ориентацию. В книге, которая появится в продаже на следующей неделе, фигурист написал, что он гей.

«Мне не стыдно за себя. Я люблю и принимаю себя таким, какой я есть. Что плохого в том, что я уникальный? Я горжусь этим», – приводит слова из книги Вейра AP.

[alysonshade]

Alysonshade wrote:
"Maybe this one? Perhaps the other one?"

You're right. I ashamed of myself, when i read this story, promptly i had a tip. This is not good, not good.

Me too, Lala. I really dislike all this business. Once, JW acted dumb about his sexuality, then he said he's bisexual, after which he "confessed" to be gay. Now he says: "I love my life and accept myself. What's wrong with being unique? I am proud of everything that I am and will become." But he also admitted that: "A lot of the gays got downright angry about my silence." In my opinion, silence and pride are not words that go together well.
Now he says he's "proud", but he has been silent so far, even denying the obvious (read the comments below the article, one of them says: "Tomorrow the shocking news is revealed that rain is wet!").

http://www.afterelton.com/people/2011/0 ... really-out

We all knew his real nature, but we played along, for solidarity. ("Do not do to others what you would not have done to you".)
I understand the reason why JW wouldn't disclose his sexual orientation so far: only a few American States are gay-friendly, most of them are still heavily homophobic, and the same thing - or even worse - happens in Middle East, in Asia, in Eastern Europe; to declare himself as a gay is a social suicide, if you are not protected by powerful people. But if you hide your orientation, then you can't even make fun of people, dressing women's clothes and then saying: "No, no, I'm not gay! It's just for fashion!"

I really hope that the JW's statements will not cause damage to anybody and, like Cekoni said, there will be no witch-hunt.

[sarahjev]

Me too, Lala. I really dislike all this business. Once, JW acted dumb about his sexuality, then he said he's bisexual, after which he "confessed" to be gay. Now he says: "I love my life and accept myself. What's wrong with being unique? I am proud of everything that I am and will become." But he also admitted that: "A lot of the gays got downright angry about my silence." In my opinion, silence and pride are not words that go together well.
Now he says he's "proud", but he has been silent so far, even denying the obvious (read the comments below the article, one of them says: "Tomorrow the shocking news is revealed that rain is wet!").

I'm relatively new to the FS world (I'm almost only interested in Zhenya, of course ), but I do like Johnny, I find him fun and lovable. I'm curious, does he ever blatantly denied he was gay and assured he was straight?

I think that in an ideal world nobody should have to give explanations about the people he chooses to like and love, nobody would rise an eyebrow regarding anyone's sexuality. Sadly, this world isn't perfect, and I kind of understand Johnny's complaints to the gay community too, not only homophobic people put pressure on him, but the others as well.
This reminds me another example: Here in my country there is this gossip tv show, the host is apparently gay, I say "apparently" because he has the usual hints (somewhat effeminated, not married or having a known partner, and so), but he had never accepted any identity, he's always talking about tolerance, but at the same time he's extremely aggressive, calling almost anyone "faggot", "closeted gay", "furious lesbian", etc., excusing a joke, and also saying that "x or y should out himself, because everyone knows about him/her"
I mean, I don't completely dislike him, but I find that attitude extremely annoying: he's urging every suspect to step out the closet but at the same time he's asking to preserve his privacy. If he acts like this now, I cannot imagine how judgemental he would be if he ever declares himself gay (you should hear how much fun he has made out of Ricky Martin)
Seems like that particular site you had linked has been urging Johnny to out himself, saying they "had no respect for him for playing coy", now that he's out, they are still attacking him, it's sad that he's finding enemies even among his own community.

[cekoni]

.... Here in my country there is this gossip tv show, the host is apparently gay, I say "apparently" because he has the usual hints (somewhat effeminated, not married or having a known partner, and so), but he had never accepted any identity, he's always talking about tolerance, but at the same time he's extremely aggressive, calling almost anyone "faggot", "closeted gay", "furious lesbian", etc., excusing a joke, and also saying that "x or y should out himself, because everyone knows about him/her"...

The only things of which I am afraid and repulsive are stupid, primitive, limited, insecure of themselves and aggressive people ... everything else does not affect me.

[alysonshade]

I apologize, I edited this post several times.. It seems that today I'm not able to find the right words!

I don't think Johnny Weir is a "proud gay", he played coy too long, and I guess a lot of people are angry with him just because of it, not because of his homosexuality: no one likes to be teased, and seeing someone playing coy about such an obvious thing may produce some ironic comments. There are a lot of hidden gays who have more discreet behaviors, and nobody go to ask them "what are you?".

Said this, I don't care about him: speaking about sports, I'm a fan of Plushenko; speaking about my private life, I'm a woman attracted to heterosexual men.

The only interesting thing about JW's statements, for me, is the involvement of another person in his coming-out. That's all.

[sarahjev]

I apologize, I edited this post several times.. It seems that today I'm not able to find the right words!

I don't think Johnny Weir is a "proud gay", he played coy too long, and I guess a lot of people are angry with him just because of it, not because of his homosexuality: no one likes to be teased, and seeing someone playing coy about such an obvious thing may produce some ironic comments. There are a lot of hidden gays who have more discreet behaviors, and nobody go to ask them "what are you?".

Said this, I don't care about him: speaking about sports, I'm a fan of Plushenko; speaking about my private life, I'm a woman attracted to heterosexual men.

The only interesting thing about JW's statements, for me, is the involvement of another person in his coming-out. That's all.

Oh Alysonshade, now I regret being offline that long, I'm curious of your previous comments!
And I agree, I do care the most about Plushy as well, more than anything else!
I also understand your concern about somebody else involved, but, he's not calling out any name, and the rumours about his secret lover had been around for years (I mean, apparently everybody knows who he is even before the book was out), and, as Cekoni said, I don't think it will badly hurt anyone.

These days I've been reading a lot of comments in FS forums (some that are VERY agressive and evil to Evgeni as well), and they all are blasting Johnny, in a very exaggerated way, they are ravishly attacking everything, from his outfits, to his writing style, calling him everything bad. I think it's for both reasons: because of his sexual orientation and for being open about it, he's the second ever, first was Rudy Galindo, if I recall correctly, and even him is not being very nice to Johnny .
It's obvious that judges had been punishing him in his career for not being "discrete", and comments from commentators and even other skaters (remember Lysaseck) are plain offensive. I find very hypocritical of the FS high spheres to say: "don't be gay, and if you are, hide it, as much as possible, and only then we will respect you"
I like Johnny because I find him adorable (he's amazing with his fans, for instance), and aside from his "fabulous" side (fashion, celebrity friends), I think he's an intelligent and good hearted individual, whith a good sense of humor too. He doesn't like to be labeled, and I agree with him in that, I've read he said in a recent interview: "I've never claimed to be gay or straight, I've always claimed to be Johnny Weir" and "I was born a white male. A white gay male, and I don't celebrate being white or male, so why should I celebrate being gay?", I feel I love him for words like that, because people should stop looking at appearences and conventionalisms, hate should not exist, not for being white or black, or gay or straight. Some gay people fall in the extremist side as well, forgetting they had been beaten too and insist in attacking others, wanting everbody to act like them, to do thing the same way they do, feeling betrayed if someone dares to differ.

I, as a woman, know that there's still a lot of intolerance and mistreat in the world for us females, just for the fact of being born a woman, and I, as Johnny said, want to be treated as an individual, and be recognized for my values and intelligence, talents and also be judged for my failures, nor for my genre, color or sexual preference.

I know I love Evgeni, with all my heart, and it happens that he's heterosexual, well, I know I'd still love him if he was not, because I love his skating, his passion, talent and energy, his humor sense, his child-like behaviour, his blue eyes.... I could go on and on, I know you all understand me

I also like the genuine friendship that Johnny and Zhenya have towards each other, because that shows Evgeni has an open mind and don't let himself be fooled by the ignorance and prejudices of others, many would evite Johnny for the fear of being called gay too, but he doesn't, and that makes him even more admirable for me.

[cekoni]

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I also like the genuine friendship that Johnny and Zhenya have towards each other, because that shows Evgeni has an open mind and don't let himself be fooled by the ignorance and prejudices of others, many would evite Johnny for the fear of being called gay too, but he doesn't, and that makes him even more admirable for me.

And Johnny is never afraid to defend Plushy in the U.S. media after the Olympics, although it was not "popular" .... with that he showed more courage and guts, than many "macho" skaters!